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<content mode="escaped" type="text/html" xml:base="http://www.mesaros.com/blogs/yuyingblog.html" xml:space="preserve">For those of you who are investing in real estate in China, here's translation of a short article that can help you save on taxes through a mechanism similar to stock ownership transfer vs. out right buying of a building in China.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;From "Economics Daily":&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;Shocking Amount of Taxes Avoided by Foreign Investments Buying Local Buildings      Single Transaction Avoids RMB 100 million +&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;Currently, foreign investments has moved its sights onto second line cities outside of Shanghai and Beijing.  The smart foreign investors' tax avoiding tricks continues to showcase in these new locations.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;Colliers International  Eastern China's director of the board Wong Lin is still full of reminisces today for that wonderful transaction earlier this year.  This is because under her direction, Singapore's ---- Group in under 3 short months transferred the ownership of their Xing Mao Building to  Italy ---- Group's MGPA Management Company.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;Wong Lin saved MGPA Management Company a huge set of fees through the transfer of stock ownership for the purpose of buying/selling business assets and avoided a whole series of real estate taxes.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;"MGPA Management Company paid RMB 800 million to buy the Xing Mao Real Esate Development Company Ltd's (a subsidiary of the Singapore's ---- Group) 95% stock ownership, the additional 5% stock is owned by Shanghai Yong Ye Group."  Wong Lin told &lt;&lt;economics&gt;&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;Shocking Amount of Taxes Avoided&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;A series of tax laws provided obstacles for foreign investors who are buying businesses.  How the taxes can be avoided caused them to drain their brains dry.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;Xing Mao Building is an office building located in Huai Hai Road commercial district.  It is close to Xin Tian Di, a 20-stories office building, usable area of 32,200 square meters above ground and usable area of 11,174 square meters below ground.  This building was jointly developed by Singapore's ---- Group and Shanghai Yong Ye Group.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;&lt;&lt;economics&gt;&gt; was informed, the Xing Mao Building transaction started introductions in September of 2004, and formally signed the RMB 800 Million transaction on Janurary 25, 2005.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;Collier International's opinion is, if MGPA Management Company bought the Xing Mao Building directly they would have had to pay very high taxes.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;Before Xing Mao Building was sold, Singapore ---- Group's worth for that piece of the business was around RMB 500 Million.  This transaction's price being RMB 800 Million, raised the business valuation RMB 300 Million.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;The taxes that would have needed to be paid would've included:  Contract taxes ( 500 Million original price * 0.05%) = 250,000, Real Estate taxes (800 M (selling price) * 80% * 1.2% * 3 (# of years)) = 23,040,000, Business Tax (500 M (original price) * 5%) = 25,000,000, Profit Tax (300 M * 33%) = 99,000,000, River management fee = (Business Tax 25,000,000) * 0.5% = 125,000, &lt;strong&gt;Total Taxes = RMB 147,415,000&lt;/strong&gt;.    &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;But through stock ownership transfer, the total taxes paid include: Business Tax = 800 M * 5% = 40,000,000, additional tax (700 M * 0.5%) = 3,500,000, Contract taxes = 700 M * 0.0003% = 2100, &lt;strong&gt;Total Taxes = RMB 43,502,100.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;The two ways of buying differ in RMB 103,912,900 in taxes.  That means, Colliers International in this transaction helped MGPA Management Company save a huge amount of money.&lt;/span&gt;</content>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">As I've gotten more involved with various enterprises with China, I'm innudated with requests to information/help with companies etc...  So I want to share here the various segments of opportunities that I see are available for those of you who want to be involved in working with China as well. <br/>
<br/>Due the sheer population size in china the competition in any market is multiples of the volume that we see in the devleoped countries.  So many people are constantly looking for their chance for advancement that almost any proven market is immediately flooded with new comers copying the business models etc...  There's very little understanding of true business models/planning but never underestimate the ability of someone else to lower costs and copy your success from beginning to end.  With a lack of IP protection, it's even more competitive than just sheer volume would lead to in the US.  So causes every company to look for an edge that can't easily be copied, and having a foreign/US connection or partnership or customers is exactly that edge.  I can't keep track of the amount of businesses who've approached me simply because they knew I was american about any connection I can provide for them in the US.  Import /export is one of the obvious ones for the manufacturing industries since that's a major industry in China right now.  I've been provided with so many sources of cheaply produced high quality goods of all materials ranging from plastic to bronze to stone to wood that's looking for buyers in the US.  Unfortunately, my specialty is with high tech and investments.  As much as I'm painfully aware of the opportunity here it's not something I can execute on.<br/>
<br/>The previous opportunity involves selling products from China outwards, and this next opportunity is the reverse about selling products to China.  More accurately what China needs is raw materials.  I've been asked to look for sources of raw iron, scrap steel, wood, concrete, almost any type of raw materials on the scales of tons.  The buyer would be major State Enterprises that have the charter to pretty much build the infrastructure in China.  If you've ever thought about the impact of a population of 1.3 billion on a country's natural resources you know exactly how big this market is if you have the ability to find the sources.  There was one calculation that in order to house everyone even in the smallest and most minimal of housing, there's not enough sand in China today to make the concrete needed.  Add the infrastructure needs on top of a manufacturing mainstay industry, you can see the raw materials buying is almost bottomless as individual sellers are concerned.  So if you can find the selling sources, the buying sources needs to be connections directly with state enterprises.  If you don't have those connections or can find them on your own, then let me know and I can hook up with my connections.  And yes, this is definitely one of those scenarios that only those with the right connections will succeed.<br/>
<br/>The other one is in the financing, accounting, IPO area.  I'm already engaged in this area personally but these are not projects that I can easily scale.  When you work with one company on financing, accounting practices or an IPO on NASDAQ, you're pretty much booked with that company.  If you keep track of chinese companies on the NASDAQ you can see a recent rush by major what used to be Chinese state enterprises like China Mobile, Sino Pec on NASDAQ.  And how can forget the drama around the Baidu IPO that surprised even the Google IPO.  In a country where currency conversion is still severly regulated, IPO on the NASDAQ gives the executive team liquidity in a freely convertible currency.  That is a holy grail to any Chinese company and there's a flood of companies who want to attempt but either fail or have no idea about how to proceed.  If you have the background in financing, account, IPOs, investment banking this is a very deep market with lucrative earning potentials.  I will warn you that you better be prepared for the very real, very large cultural differences you'll encounter along the way.  But I guarantee that once you've done the first one and experienced the growing pains, you will become one of those of the rare stature to name your price.<br/>
<br/>Related to this opportunity is simply training in accounting, financing and business planning practices.  For a country transitioning from a state owned economy to market economy, actual profit driven business experience is very rare and very much needed.  A lot of the smaller companies does not have the money to hire consultants directly, but would send people to training by the droves.  You can do this either by setting up your own training program, model and company or become partners with an accredited university.  Advantages to both of course, but you have decide based on your abilities to actually to make one of these options succeed.<br/>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">When I was last in China I got sick and was in the hospital for one week.  This actually gave me the opportunity to learn more about China's Consumer Market than I ever have, through the universally understood and valued channel for watching commercials on TV.  Here's some fun differing trends from the US consumer market that I noted for my amusement and hopefully your use.<br/>
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<li>In beauty standards, chinese women are trying to get whiter while the US women try to get darker.  This trend absolutely fascinated me as commercial after commercial showed different products that made your skin white.  They didn't address skin health, or cleaning, but very straight forwardly just whiter.  By comparison the US skin commercials are like a science course.  This is one of the largest personal beauty product markets in China.  My chinese beauty magazines had advertisements of different skin whitening products back to back and all the US advertising featured the whitest skin people and whitest pictures I've ever seen.  </li>
<li>Dieting is an even bigger industry in China.  You may laugh at this if you've never seen a chinese person over size 6, but you have to understand that in China they don't even make cloths for size 8 and 100lbs is a nice good weight to have for a woman.  Every single female is dieting in China, but they use the most bizarre methods, by my definition anyways.  There's tapeworms in the stomach, pulling out teeth so the face is slimmer, special chinese medicine scrubs specifically prescriptioned for each body area to reduce fat, and even binding stockings makes your leg the thinner shape.  The commercials are quite hilarious and disturbing at the same time.  There's really no regulations on truth in advertising as can be easily seen from the scores of law suits against advertised diet products.  There was one patch that you stuck on the bottom of foot while you walked around that's supposed to suck the fat out through the bottom of your feet.  Never thought I'd say this, but please take those infomercials about weight-loss/fitness products and export them straight to China.  Anything we have is better than the stuff they're making themselves.</li>
<li>On the other side of dieting, wellness products are the next biggest market.  There's basically two groups of wellness products in China.  One, old chinese medicine formulas that have been handed down for thousands of years and two, brand new products from Europe, preferably Paris.  I think this is a symptom of the one-child policy.  On one hand, your number of old people greatly outnumbers the adults that have to support them.  So wellness products for old age is in great demand, cause health care will be cripplingly expensive.  On the other hand, all the children are the only's, meaning the only branch on the family tree and the hope for the future for 3 generations of grandparents and parents.  That's where all the wellness products for kids and babies come in.  With all the competition these kids will have to deal with on sheer population and each family only getting one shot at Harvard/Beijing University/Baidu executive, I'd be curious to see the market potential comparison between the kid wellness products and the old people wellness products.  </li>
<li>China has sucky wine and beer.  This one's more from personal experience than anything.  There's definitely a gap in the market, for almost any wine and beer.  I'm from washington state with our own hundred's of wineries and micro-breweries so I may be a bit biased but I don't think a country can become developed without a more mature national palate for alcoholic beverages.  Maybe merlot and IPA is not the answer for China, but somebody needs to help these 1 billion plus people out.  They're drinking red wine in a pitcher with ice with sprite or coca cola!!  Can we at least get them to margaritas or something? !</li>
<li>Chinese people are tourists at heart.  For those of you who think they only do this at the statue of liberty and the golden gate bridge is in for a surprise.  The travel/tourism industry is the most active in that country.  Not only because of all the foreign visitors now, but the citizens themselves.  Any professional conference/meeting of any kind, involves a sightseeing trip somewhere.  And this is not simply comdex at Las Vegas with a free poker chip in your registration envelop.  This is trains of airconditioned buses to see the hoover dam, the grand canyon, to take pictures in front New York New York's Statue of Liberty and buying at least 3 souvenirs per person.  Why does this happen I have no idea.  I only know that when my husband travelled to china for the first time this year and requested to do what the locals did and not see the touristy destinations, we had no idea what to do with him.</li>
<li>Foot massage parlors are the businessmen retreat.  And no, this is not like the "massage parlors" here.  It is extremely popular, and huge franchise, and simply rows and rows of people sitting in a chair getting their foot washed and massaged.  A COO I know takes every visiting businessman there and the women are there together with the men and it's the best business bonding activity.  Don't ask me why, but in my mind it doesn't get much more chinese than this.  One chain of foot massage parlors has 10,000 employees in all of China, this doesn't even count the countless non-franchise ones.  And I'll just end with mention of one interesting anomoly, blind foot massage.  Yeap, the masseuse are blind, and these type of foot massage parlors are very popular with quite numerous.  Don't ask me why.  I didn't have a chance to go to one.</li>
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<p>So that's some fun different consumer market trends for ya.  There's always more, but we'll just start with these.      </p>
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<content mode="escaped" type="text/html" xml:base="http://www.mesaros.com/blogs/yuyingblog.html" xml:space="preserve">Did you ever see Ice Age?  Yes the cartoon.  The funniest and most memorable character in there is the squirrel with the acorn.  I saw a recent short of this squirrel before the showing of Madagascar, where he got his tongue frozen on to the bottom of an ice cliff over hanging miles of freefall, and he tried to pull himself up by his tongue.  Not an easy feat in the cartoon case as his tongue had stretch to be double his body length and his paws couldn't even reach the ice shelf over head to get some additional grip.  Clutching my aching stomach from laughing while I watch the squirrel in his sheer determination to get where he's going by swing on his tongue and finally getting a toe hold on the bottom of the ice shelf.  I won't desribe the entire scene for you but this reminds me greatly of the sheer tenacity of the businessmen/women that have achieved success in China, despsite all the obstacles of policy, language, education, capital.  I read a great story recently of &lt;a href="http://www.ccer.edu.cn/cn/ReadNews.asp?NewsID=5675"&gt;Ms. Jiang Gui Lan&lt;/a&gt;, who exemplifies this tenacity that I've seen over and over in the small/medium businesses in china, in particular manufacturing.  The story linked is in Chinese but I'll write my translation here:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;Jiang Gui Lan attracted people's attention early this year.  At that time, Zhejiangtai Province customs published 2004's import/export information, heading up the plastics mold industry is Wenlinsong Fulin Plastics Ltd.  Jiang Gui Lan, is this company's founder.  A local reporter interviewed this farming woman, the report is very moving.  In May I was teaching at Zhejiang University, and read Jiang Gui Lan's story for the first time in a magazine that a friend gave me.  In June I was in Tai Province on business, so I went to visit Songmen City and filled out the details to the Jiang Gui Lan story.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;Even the beginning of the story is moving.  "In March 1991, 28 year old Jiang Gui Lan borrowed 200,000 RMB high interest loans to start her own plastics mold factory.  At the time, not only others, even she herself had no idea how living expenses was going to occur from here on out.  Her circumstances are not great:  parents were local farmers, she had no capital funding, no technology know-how and no connections;  She was already married for 6 years and also had a 6 year old child to raise.  The only thing that made her happy was that her fate was finally in her own hands."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;She started with 3 used plastic molding machines, the earliest products being coolers used by sea fishermen.  Manufactured products need to be sold, if you can't move it it needs to changed; if it's difficult to sell even after changes, then you throw the mold away and start over.  1995, Jiang Gui Lan had absolutely no eligibility to attend the trade show as a vendor, but stubbornly she "grinded" her way into the tradeshow floor.  She dragged her samples, and talked to every single vendor there to beg them to allow her to "display".  When she got to #125, a Ningbo Export's salesman from the same hometown was finally moved to say yes.  He gave her 1/6 of the booth for 40,000 RMB.  That tradeshow, Jiang Gui Lan closed two deals.  The money she made just barely covered the expenses to attend the tradeshow.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;Jiang Gui Lan gave out ten or so business cards to the importers who visited her booth.  A few months later, a fax from North America came to Fulin Plastics,  inquiring whether or not they can manufacture plastic knives, forks, and spoons.  Jiang Gui Lan replied "yes".  After sending the fax, she immediately started to develop the molds, create samples and very quickly snet products out to the US.  Jiang Gui Lang had no idea that the plastics utensils she was making was supplied for use at KFC , and the US company that was ordering the products themselves were a supplier for KFC.  Because they faced cost pressures, they were trying the road of outsourcing -- Fulin manufacture the products, ship to US factory, then shipped to KFC together with the Made in US utensils.   &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;KFC found that in the boxes from the utensil supplier, some were neatly packaged and some were a bit more messy.  The end of the investigation found that the neatly packaged utensils came from China Fulin.  Then the Beijing KFC got a memo from US Headquarters to send specialists to Fulin Plastics to inspect the factory.  Jiang Gui Lan told me, they did not pass the first inspection because they had no idea manufacturing plastic utensils needed to pass so many inspections.  Jiang Gui Lan asked to be given one week's time.  After 7 days, Fulin Plastics passed complete inspection including environment disinfecting, pest control etc 6 major categories and 59 individual regulations.  Each item passed with over 80% score.  KFC was satisfied because this kind of score is even better than US suppliers in the same industry.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;At the end of 2003, the first trial delivery of 12 containers were sent to the US.  After headquarter approval, KVC sent Jiang Gui Lan a $12M USD order -- Fulin Plastics formally started to supply products to KFC.  Jiang Gui Lan laughed, "we pretty much spent all of the 2004 on this single order, we sent a total of 600 containers."  This one year, Fulin Plastics formally became KFC's only Chinese supplier.  At the same time, Fulin also started providing utensils to large corporations like Disney.  In 2004, Fulin's product revenue surpassed 100M RMB, and became the large plastics molding company in Tai Province.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;Getting into the international market has also forced JIang Gui Lan to pick up her high school English books.  At that first tradeshow, "I relied on the person who gave me the space to discuss business, that's when I thought I have to learn English."  After she got home, she bough &lt;&lt;english&gt;&gt;and started self learning.  She pulls it out everywhere she goes to read a few sentences.  Her husband is very shocked:  "you can't even speak Mandarin well and you plan to speak English!"  In 2002, Jiang Gui Lan went to Shanghai to attend a English class, at the time she was 39.  The year after Wenlin Export Group went to US to attend a tradeshow, unfortunately outside of Jiang Gui Lan herself, everyone else including the translator was unable to get a visa to the US.  Jiang Gui Lan went to the Las Vegas tradeshow on her own, without a translator, and relying only on the few sentence of English she self taugh and closed hundred thousand dollar orders.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;Jiang Gui Lan is only one of a large number of businessmen from Zhejiang.  But, this farming woman's story of growing into an international supplier brought me, an economist, a lot of inspirations.  First of all, is that the entrepenurial spirit is very important.  What I mean by entrepenurial spirit is never being satisfied with the present; even through mountains of obstacles still determined to find a market opportunity that meets a need and realizes your own dreams.  When she started, Jiang Gui Lan already had 10 years of working experience and also had the abilities to make a living.  But she was not satisfied, and she had to take on the risk of the 200,000 RMB high interest loan to make a run for it in the market.  In comparison, business planning was the less importat ingredient, because the entrepenurial spirit drives business planning's creation, correction, persistence and elevation.  Without an abundant entrepenurial spirit, you cannot develop a market.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;I didn't translate the rest of the article as it goes more into the writer's point of view on the circumstances for economics a little more.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000099;"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;I was personally very moved by this article and she is not a stand out.  I've read tons of stories while I was in China about people exactly like her who went through obstacles that I cannot even imagine for more years that I've ever devoted to a single venture, especially a difficult one.  This is why even with the less favorable business conditions in China, businesses will continue to be created and thrive.  This is why the world market is being flooded with Made in China goods.  This is also why I no longer get annoyed with the extremely persistent t-shirt salesmen along the Great Wall.  Now what I see is a country's and a people's sheer determination to make something of themselves.  &lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;</content>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">I find that Americans who work in China, even the ones that have been involved in business for more than 10 years, have blinders on how things really work in China.  The simple view that "I know how things work" is the exact blinders that keeps you from reaching that point.  When you are American, you will always be treated with a different approach, with different information than Chinese.  And this differs even for expat chinese vs. the local.  Who you are automatically self selects you out of encounter with a great many portion of the business workings.  A smart American is one who knows there will always be things that they know nothing of, no matter how long you've worked and no matter how hard you try.  I say this because I brought in a 10-year veteran of china business CFO/COO advisor who is an American to advise on the best steps for a company that needed funding.  This is a man extremely good at what he does in knowing the best way to operate a company to attract funding, but we're almost at an impasse because the CEO sees separate pathways to take when the advisor doesn't.  I can tell you that if the company was a US company, the advisor would be absolutely right.  You have to fix your accounting and sales so you can show increasing profit and report it on a monthly/quarterly basis to get solid private equity.  Even getting loans or government grants is based on your income and income growth, but this is not the case in China.  There are intricacies in dealing with the government that if you were skillful and had the right connections you can be rewarded with funding with almost no cost in stock, or reporting what was done with the money.    And getting these central government funding will cause other local government funding, grants and loans to follow where previously weren't available.  This is even possible for Chinese VC's.  Not the VC's run by expat chinese, but truely Chinese VC's who signs the check after 7 meals of heavy drinking and only follow up if you send him a check or a request for more money.  But in speaking with the American advisor, these other paths don't exist.  The Chinese VC's he knows operates exactly like the ones in the US, and the government grants and loans require just as much accountability.  Before you inhale a breath of shock and terror on how money can be given to a business without accountability for how it's spent, you need to understand that the chinese are simply very flexible and adaptable people who work within an imperfect/unfair system to do what they need to get done.  So if you're going over to China, please remember that there will always be things you don't know or even encounter.  The chinese always like to present their best face forward, knowing that and allowing for the existence of possibilities that you can't imagine will get you a long way to working with the Chinese.</div>
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<content mode="escaped" type="text/html" xml:base="http://www.mesaros.com/blogs/yuyingblog.html" xml:space="preserve">I love the excitement after a "brilliant" idea hits you.  It's why I've always tried to figure out how I can get into the "ideas" business.  In this case, it started with the McKinsey article/report I read yesterday on China's lack of skilled labor.   The article titled "&lt;a href="http://www.mckinseyquarterly.com/article_abstract.aspx?ar=1685&amp;L2=18&amp;amp;L3=31&amp;srid=27&amp;amp;gp=0"&gt;China's looming talent shortage&lt;/a&gt;", which is also part of a larger report &lt;a href="http://www.mckinsey.com/mgi/reports/pdfs/emerginggloballabormarket/part1/MGI_demand_fullreport.pdf"&gt;The Emerging Global Labor Market: Part I--The Demand for Offshore Talent in Services&lt;/a&gt;.   Both of these are free from the McKinsey website but you do have to register for them. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Excerpt from the article:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="color:#cc6600;"&gt;The supply paradox&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="color:#cc6600;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;color:#330099;"&gt;China's pool of potential talent is enormous. In 2003 China had roughly 8.5 million young professional graduates with up to seven years' work experience and an additional 97 million people that would qualify for support-staff positions.&lt;br /&gt;Despite this apparently vast supply, multinational companies are finding that few graduates have the necessary skills for service occupations. According to interviews with 83 human-resources professionals involved with hiring local graduates in low-wage countries, fewer than 10 percent of Chinese job candidates, on average, would be suitable for work in a foreign company in the nine occupations we studied: engineers, finance workers, accountants, quantitative analysts, generalists, life science researchers, doctors, nurses, and support staff.&lt;br /&gt;Consider engineers. China has 1.6 million young ones, more than any other country we examined.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.mckinseyquarterly.com/article_page.aspx?ar=1685&amp;L2=18&amp;amp;L3=31&amp;srid=27&amp;amp;gp=0#foot1" name="foot1up"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;color:#330099;"&gt;1&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;color:#330099;"&gt; Indeed, 33 percent of the university students in China study engineering,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.mckinseyquarterly.com/article_page.aspx?ar=1685&amp;L2=18&amp;amp;L3=31&amp;srid=27&amp;amp;gp=0#foot2" name="foot2up"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;color:#330099;"&gt;2&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;color:#330099;"&gt; compared with 20 percent in Germany and just 4 percent in India. But the main drawback of Chinese applicants for engineering jobs, our interviewees said, is the educational system's bias toward theory. Compared with engineering graduates in Europe and North America, who work in teams to achieve practical solutions, Chinese students get little practical experience in projects or teamwork. The result of these differences is that China's pool of young engineers considered suitable for work in multinationals is just 160,000—no larger than the United Kingdom's. Hence the paradox of shortages amid plenty. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;color:#000000;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This caused me to call up my dad who teaches Economics and heads the department in Beijing University to ask about the reality of the university curriculum.  The first he said was that the data must be 2 years old, and when I went back through the details of the report, indeed the last data point ended in 2003.  The problem with such a large scale study is that it takes time to turn actual data into a full report with analysis that makes sense to the general public.  For more than the first time, I realized that the Chinese government is not stupid, they were well aware of this issue and there have been a lot of changes in place to fix it.  My dad himself had been to counties out in the farming regions originally known as the poorest counties in the country that are thriving now, with full on foreign language schools with teachers recruited in from outside of china to teach english and business school.  How did these extremely poor areas become the hub of foreign trade and business education?  The secret lies in what's called land use rights.  China being a communist country, is one where there's no personal ownership of property.  In the US, when better schools and infrastructure wants to be built, they raise property taxes as a major source of the funding.  However, in China, without property owernship, there's no property taxes to raise for this type of funding by the local government and in a poor community the residents cannot shoulder a higher income tax that would required to build new schools.  But, what the chinese government has created something called land use rights which can be sold and bought just like property, but you pay for it in one shot and you get something like a 70-year lease with priority renewal rights.  For all intents and purposes, it works the same as property ownership.  Going back to being communist, the local governments own the land of that county and therefore has at their disposal the sale of the land use rights.  When they want to raise funding, they simply sell the land use rights to the mobs of foreign investors rushing in to buy land and property in China, and use the proceeds to build anything they want to.  In the farming communities, that becomes foreign language/business schools because the farmers are desperate to get ahead in the world and they know that English and the ability to do business with the rest of the world is KEY. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With that little digression into land use rights, my main point is that since 2003 there have been tremendous changes all over the country to correct the lack of skilled labor issue because the Chinese government is very clear that they want to move towards a service based industry from the manufacturing based one right now.  There have been schools and joint programs set up all over the country that specifically teaches conversational english and more practical skills for the degree programs.  With the hottest programs being business schools especially Executive MBA types.  And it is not only the US that's making the education investment in China, the European Union and major coporations like Microsoft have partnerships with major universities and/or opened their own schools.  With all of that, one of the largest individual opportunities in China is to go and teach the very sorely needed higher level business skills.  My dad teaches Economics so a lot of MBA students go through his classes.  He had them rank what were the most important/useful classes they took, while they ranked Economics dead last, the top ones are:  Accounting, Marketing, Communication Skills, Business Modeling/Planning, Negotiation Skills, Business Strategy.  What they needed are classes taught by people with real experience and with very practial skills that they can use when they get into the job market.  Given the potential # of university graduates every year and all the new schools and programs being built to address this issue, the country has a huge need for teachers.  Before you say, "but I can't do that, " let me remind you that all of these classes are taught in English.  And, you can simply go and teach a seminar or a short series for a month as opposed to relocating permanently from the get go.  This gives anyone the opportunity to check out with new land of opportunity in short periods and at the same time provide an incredibly valuable service to a country with great positive socio-economic impact.  That in my book is getting your cake and eating it too.  This is particularly and exciting opportunity for me as my husband doesn't speak any Chinese, and as much as he's interested in China, relocation isn't very feasible from a professional point of view.  However, he has 10+ years of experience in Finance and can talk your head off about currency fluctuations and investing and I have a nice little MIT degree behind me.  If you're as excited as I am about the opportunity to go toottle around China paid for a month at a time, you're probably asking how do I find out these teaching opportunities?  Well, I can go through personal connections as my dad's academia and he knows all other guys at other business schools too, but I don't know if there are specific recruiters and head hunters for this stuff as I'm sure there is.  I'll share the info as I dig into this more and find out.</content>
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<content mode="escaped" type="text/html" xml:base="http://www.mesaros.com/blogs/yuyingblog.html" xml:space="preserve">I have a friend who is the COO of a chinese IT outsourcing company that's also a Microsoft partner. It was very interesting having the conversation with him about the difficulty of hiring good technical talent. I used to work for Microsoft and have managed outsourcing partners before so I'm quite familiar with that the outsourced work involves and the technical skills and competencies you would have to hire for. I've encountered quite a bit of the impression here in the US with regard to China's technical talent in that you can get a lot more for the same if less amount of money, that there's simply tons of Masters and PhD's in computer science you can get to do even the smallest parts of your programming in China. From discussions with my friend it is in fact very difficult to find and hire someone with more than 2-3 years of practical experience for the technical staff. There's a couple of very simple reasons this is the case. 1) The best and the brightest had left china to study, to be a part of larger opportunities. Some ex-pats are returning, but you cannot get them to take chinese-level salary. 2) Computer science is not as a mature and prevalent education program in China as it is in the US where it was created. 3) Because of the one-child policy creating a generation of people with a high sense of self-entitlement and the cultural perception that management is better than technical excellence, anyone with more than 2-3 years of actual computer programming experience expects to be management positions and not technical. This is definitely a topic I wish I had more data points on in terms of computer science degree programs, their maturity, amount of graduates every year, average income for those just graduated etc... But I know that the expectation that China is the next India for outsourcing is unrealistic and that if your software company is moving operations to China for the supposed cheap and large technical talent pool you're in for an unpleasant surprise. There are definitely success stories in software in China like taobaowang, the chinese google equivalent, alibaba etc... and hopefully more of the same will drive the creation of a huge talent pool for the future. For now you have to remember that what the chinese software industry excels at is immitation, and product quality is not a familiar concept.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How timely, I just got a McKinsey article that talks about this issue:  &lt;a href="http://www.mckinseyquarterly.com/article_abstract_visitor.aspx?ar=1685&amp;L2=18&amp;amp;L3=31&amp;srid=27&amp;amp;gp=0"&gt;http://www.mckinseyquarterly.com/article_abstract_visitor.aspx?ar=1685&amp;L2=18&amp;amp;L3=31&amp;srid=27&amp;amp;gp=0&lt;/a&gt;</content>
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